Balance on the beach

I've watched the videos many times. I've recollected the day in my mind and in hindsight, for all those who participated in D-Day, we all know that it was virtually impossible to capture the beach. The Americans were 3/4 of the way encircled save for our boats. The flags had literally no cover to speak of. The Germans got loads of added cover AND a tank for the majority of the assault whereas we only got our tank later on due to the sheer impossibility of our task. Plus it was simply a go-kart sized moving bunker. Fun? Yes, very. Balanced? HELL NO!

I know everyone is aware of this. My main question really is how do game guys plan on balancing the odds next year? I'm mostly curious than picky. Here is my opinion. I am fully convinced that were everything kept the way it was in D-Day 2011 excluding the beach boundaries and instead raising the flag for massive points as opposed to it allowing us to move out of the beach I think the Americans would have captured the beach utterly. We would have stormed those bunkers! We weren't afraid of anything! You saw us out there. I mean one of us was naked. Trust me those guys were lucky to be able to hide behind that rope line or else we would have swallowed up that beach whole even with their tank and whoever that was with 3 guns attached to one trigger...

Bottom Line, I know you are working on this, but I'm just wondering as to any details as of yet. I know its early on, but honestly I'm excited for it even now.

Well said Chappy....

I humbly disagree.
I'm not saying the beach it impossible in its entirety as a part of D-Day. I'm saying for that year it was impossible. I was there at the 2010 beach assault so I know what we did. Had we no flags to capture you would have had to deal with 99% of the American team running up the hill instead of 1.5 boats worth. I noticed where most of us tended to run. One boat towards main flag, the other 2 boats fighting the hill which, due to the boundaries, didn't accomplish very much during the entire 2011 assault.
Look I'm not saying you guys didn't play well. You won! Good times! But the beach was a massacre and its no secret that things were balanced in the German's favor on the beach more so than previous years. Maybe I'm speaking from ignorance but maybe I'll have my mouth shut when the roles are switched next year with no changes made with Arc running my ass up a tree? Unlikely, but possibly?

I'm of course going to put my 2 cents in here...

Peter, I feel your frustration, obviously.  That was not fun for us.  I told Chappy the other day, I personally had 87 definite, countable welts.  90% of them came from the beach.  More specifically 85% of them came from Arc...  Not that anyone has said it recently, but anyone who thinks the Joe teams take it easy on each other certainly has that one wrong!

That being said, I do not think the beach was impossible with the right people.  Chappy is right, we did it 2 years in a row, the first year in something like 12 seconds (your welcome Mike).  I don't want to get in to too many specifics of my strategies of capturing the beach, as I don't want people using them against me in 6 months, but it WAS doable.  The major problem was cooperation and coordination.  It takes determination to do it, and the US side simply did not have the determination necessary.  In the first roughly 10 minutes, people tried.  After that, while my team was getting more then our fair share of exercise running back and forth to the respawn, I actually had to yell at people to stop blocking our path to the respawn.  Roughly 75% of the US side was either off the field, or literally standing around doing nothing by the respawn.  I have said it 100 times, I'll say it 100 more I'm sure, why in the world would someone pick the US side for D-Day if they weren't prepared to charge in to overwhelming fire over and over!!!???  THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED IN THE REAL THING, THAT IS OBVIOUSLY WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN IN THE PAINTBALL GAME.

Bottom line, the US side lacked the proper organization, cooperation, and determination!  There is no way around it in my mind.  Arc did a top notch job defending.  They had perfect strategic locations, they had the necessary firepower, and the necessary discipline to defend it.  That is without mentioning everyone else, not the least of which Hand of Fate, spearheaded by the general for the game Joe who did a fantastic job.

Last year wasn't my show.  I was just an average player for the game and felt it would be inappropriate for me to overstep and act like I was the boss.  Next year, I WILL be the boss, and I can't promise we will break the record, but I will promise we will at least have a much more organized try for it.  As for the rest of the game...  Joe, I'll just apologize in advance for the bad day your going to have!  ;)

Wow... smack talk 6 months early.  I like it.  :)

Kevin the Terrible wrote: There seems to be a trend here. ARC dominates.

Edited by The Great Equalizer - Dec/16/2011 at 1:06pm

We have a Wookie, death bricks don't scare us.

Indiana Jones was afraid of snakes.

Snakes scare Chappy or is the an Arc in general thing?

Not to try to step on anyone here, but maybe the Beach Assault during the ION games at Skirmish could give some tips for "balancing" or just ideas in general. Except for how the 101st gets treated, the beach is usually pretty well played.